
'I feel so guilty'
Horner expresses remorse for double homicide, blames post-traumatic stress disorderBy Phil Ray, pray@altoonamirror.com
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Nicholas Horner's letter to the Mirror
Editor's note: On May 15, the Mirror received and then confirmed that the adjacent letter is from Nicholas Horner, who is charged with murdering two people in Altoona April 6. With the exception of deleting a phone number, the letter appears without editing.
Nicholas A. Horner, writing from Blair County Prison, is "sorry to all of Altoona" for the shootings that occurred in early April when he allegedly killed a high school senior and a retiree.
"I shoot 3 people, killing 2 and injuring 1," Horner wrote in a letter sent to the Mirror in mid-May.
Horner, an Iraqi War veteran, is repentant for the killings that took the lives of 19-year-old Scott Garlick, a senior at Hollidaysburg Area High School who was working at the 58th Street Subway, and 64-year-old Raymond Eugene Williams, who was walking to his mailbox two blocks away, and for injuries to Michele Petty, another Subway employee.
He called the events in the late afternoon of April 6 "a tragedy," and wrote, "no one looks at this" as an accident, "not even my lawyer."
His sense of remorse, he wrote, is overwhelming.
"This is so hard," he said. "I feel so guilty."
He said he doesn't want people to take it wrong, but he said, "I feel like I'm the fourth victim" because he has lost his children and said he is going to lose his wife.
Horner, who was receiving care at the Van Zandt VA Medical Center in Altoona, cited post-traumatic stress disorder as an issue.
"I just want people to watch for P.T.S.D. cases. There are so many of them. If this letter changes one person's life, I did something good," he wrote.
In a second letter to the Mirror, Horner wrote about what he experienced after three tours in Iraq - blackouts, depression, anxiety and anger issues.
The 28-year-old Johnstown-area native and graduate of Conemaugh Valley High School said he moved to the Altoona area to be closer to Van Zandt "so I could get help for my PTSD."
He said he didn't get enough attention at Van Zandt.
Representatives of the center said they cannot discuss Horner's medical condition but said the center treats hundreds of cases of PTSD each month.
Blair County District Attorney Richard A. Consiglio, after conferring with Blair County victim-witness coordinator Susan Griep, said the families of the victims would have no comment about Horner's letters.
"I know the victims are not going to comment. There has been a lot of trauma as it is," he said. "We certainly do not view [Horner] as a victim in any way, shape or form."
As for Horner's apology, Consiglio said a lot of people express regret after getting caught.
"Now he's sorry," he said.
Blair County Deputy Assistant District Attorney Jackie Bernard, part of the prosecution team, directed her comments on behalf of the victims at Horner's alleged PTSD.
"There are millions who suffer PTSD. That in itself is not a defense in the state of Pennsylvania," she said.
In addition to Horner discussing PTSD in his letters, members of his family are scheduled to appear today on NBC's "Today" show to discuss his treatment for the disorder.
Many veterans who have returned from Iraq and Afghanistan have experienced the condition.
Cheryl Thompson, a spokeswoman for the medical center, said it offers a wide variety of services to deal with veterans' problems, including PTSD.
Lester Weiss, a licensed clinical social worker and PTSD therapist at Van Zandt, told the Mirror in April that 494 veterans suffering from PTSD were counseled at the center in March. They came from throughout the center's 14-county area.
He said referrals for counseling came from medical teams at the hospital, social workers and county veterans' representatives.
Weiss said social workers at the center perform assessments and are trained to provide a variety of treatments once the diagnosis is established. Treatments include individual and group therapy, family counseling and anger management.
Weiss said PTSD can be triggered by sights, sounds and smells. He said these "remembrances" can be so powerful in some cases that an individual may think he is in a combat situation and therefore could be dangerous.
When veterans first return to civilian life, their symptoms tend to come out through drinking, fighting, domestic quarrels, being on edge and having a difficult time calming down, he said.
Weiss also said some younger veterans believe it is a sign of weakness to seek help at the center or believe it could jeopardize their careers.
Just what part - if any - PTSD may have played in the local shootings remains a question. Consiglio said that at this point, prosecutors don't even know if Horner saw combat in Iraq.
Horner met for two hours Monday with a Hollidaysburg psychiatrist, and his preliminary hearing is tentatively set for June 26 before Magisterial District Judge Steven Jackson.
Horner's lawyer, David J. DeFazio, a veteran Pittsburgh defense attorney who has handled many homicide cases including those involving the death penalty, said he could not comment on Horner's mental state at this time.
DeFazio said part of any criminal case is not only what and when something occurred, but why it occurred. He said he intends to obtain the best medical and psychiatric expert he can find to examine Horner.
He said he was unaware that Horner was communicating with the news media or that members of Horner's family are to appear on "Today."
He said his standard advice to clients is, "The less said the better."
Horner's wife, Windy, said Tuesday she wanted to discuss the situation with her husband before speaking. She has established a Help Horner Web site, on which she wrote, "My husband is not a cold-blooded killer, a murderer. He is a loving husband, an excellent father and an unforgettable friend."
Horner misses his freedom.
"Jail is worse than Iraq. I was proud to be a soldier," he wrote in his second letter. "Here I'm nothing, and they make sure I know it."
Mirror Staff Writer Phil Ray is at 946-7468.
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Nittanyjoe
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08-18-09 3:49 PM
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Did he really write this letter? It looks like it was from a 4th grader. How did they verify it was him? Did they contact him at the prison?
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thelight
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07-01-09 12:47 AM
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So, many of you ask if he was suffering from "flashbacks" why whould he have robbed the place? Any veteran of this war will tell you..well maybe they won't, they know the truth in their hearts...it is "not" frowned upon when a soldier is on a mission to take whatever they wish to take. Anything, doesn't matter. There is no punishment, if they wish to take it they can. Trust me, Sgt Horner did not walk into the subway to rob them; he came in through the rear door and that is called a rear door entry. He should have never been discharged and Scott should have never been killed. Tragedys like this will continue unless something does not change. I am so grateful that there are others in this community that are able to look at all of the facts objectively. It will all come out, the truth always does.
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thelight
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06-30-09 1:24 PM
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***********nytimes****/2008/01/13/us/13vets.html?hp Late one night in the summer of 2005, Matthew Sepi, a 20-year-old Iraq combat veteran, headed out to a 7-Eleven in the seedy Las Vegas neighborhood where he had settled after leaving the Army. This particular 7-Eleven sits in the shadow of the Stratosphere casino-hotel in a section of town called the Naked City. By day, the area, littered with malt liquor cans, looks depressed but not menacing. By night, it becomes, in the words of a local homicide detective, "like Falluja." Mr. Sepi did not like to venture outside too late. But, plagued by nightmares about an Iraqi civilian killed by his unit, he often needed alcohol to fall asleep. And so it was that night, when, seized by a gut feeling of lurking danger, he slid a trench coat over his slight frame -- and tucked an assault rifle inside it. How familiar does the above article sound? 121 Cases as of Jan 2008 of Iraqi Veterans WITH PTSD involved in homicide cases...
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tayy1023
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06-12-09 11:26 PM
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i don't care what kind of disorder this man has there are people out there with much worse circumstances and you don't see them killing innocent people! how would he feel if one of his kids were murdered and he had to look at the empty graduation chair filled with only flowers??? come on people wake up this man should have NO remorse! you pay for your actions in life regardless of a freaking disorder CRY ME A RIVER HORNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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EmergencyServicesProvider
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06-09-09 11:13 AM
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Opinionated - Ask a Vet what type of care they receive at the VA Hospital - Best care money can provide is far from the truth. I've worked around the VA system to know its not the greatest healthcare in the world - But its not the only healthcare option vets can use.
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mpenlisted
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06-08-09 3:21 PM
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Very simple advocate. I am not gainsaying that ptsd is a very real concern. Im statin the facts of someone who works in emergency services and who was there that day. I saw what happened, the aftermath, did you or most of these other posters? I'd say no. As someone who has been in and seen more capitol cases than you or probably the other posters, knows full well what it'll cost the tax payers. Andsince I have more experience dealing with inamtes than you, i am very well qualified to state my opinions. What qualifications do you have to gain say anything i've said.
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opinionated
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06-08-09 11:09 AM
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i would have to agree with mpen. we are not presenting ourselves as experts some of us cannot even say we have first hand knowledge but i can tell you this, i have had friends, young kids, go to war and come back. i have seen the side effects and i know the stress they are under. my grandfather was a war veteran and i saw the effects the war had on him decades later. i understand that ptsd is a very real thing. but i will tell all of those that support this man. your just as bad as him. he thought this out, he killed two people(one of which was a veteran himself), and now he wants to play the "its not my fault card." ********. as a veteran he would have recieved the best treatment our government can provide so don't try to say he had no help and we just don't understand the condition. well mr. horner you should be ashamed of yourself my 18 year old friends that have been through the same stuff as you know that they must take responsibility for their actions and not blame som
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theadvocate
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06-07-09 9:17 AM
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mpen: and after reading our comments and opinions, just what qualifies you as an expert in what is right and wrong? You strike me as a person who does not have a clue. If you read all these posts as you said you have and came to the conclusion you posted, you too have a serious comprehension problem.
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mpenlisted
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06-06-09 9:28 PM
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Ok, after much reading of the story and comments i have a few things to express. The altoona mirror never should have published this crap. Reason being that that now the tax payers will have to pay for another out of county murder trial, that will take forever due to the publicity. Two, almost all criminals express guilt after being caught, because they don't want to be in jail. As far as religion goes....guess what, the main religion is prison is muslim. Three, showing any type of premeditation as he did eliminates any chance that it was accidental. As far as PTSD goes, I know a few people with it that I call friend and compadre. They do have a harder time with anger, but not a single one of them has EVER pulled anything like this, and they wouldn't cause it's not in their nature. And these are people who live and work in fields where violence is common place.
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artislove
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06-06-09 8:24 PM
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i don't care if he was in the army navy marines or anything like that. it doesn't take a genius to know what they are doing when they have a gun in their hand and how to pull the trigger. i have no sympathy whatsoever for him because he took away a classmate of mine. a great classmate. scott never deserved this he had so much going for him and horner took it all away. i will never forgive him for that it made our entire school of almost 600 students completely silent the day after it happened. none of them forgive him, and neither will i. he is just trying to cover up his act because he knows if they think he is "insane" he will get off easily but in his heart he will always know that he took scott away from us and i hope it eats his heart away.
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EmergencyServicesProvider
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06-06-09 5:36 PM
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Brutis - I also agree something was wrong and the Horner was seeking help. However looking at the story through the police reports and information I am able to gain - The actions that day do not fit the flashbacks of PTSD
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EmergencyServicesProvider
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06-06-09 5:35 PM
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Brutis - Speaking with knowledge after asking questions of those who are on their 2 plus tour - Any tour after the 1st is voluntary now and this is from a friend who is on tour number 4. He isn't messed up in the head and is using his mililtary job to excel in his civilian job. He is front line and while he doesn't enjoy it he's doing it. Also many soilders now are seeing $$$$ as reasons to keep going back.
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brutis
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06-06-09 4:37 AM
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EmergencyServicesProvider, Yes, he did sign up for extended duties. How many people in their "right mind" do that? Two deployments is common. But three could signify that a person is getting used to war violence. Thirsting for it. I am not a health care professional. But this guy had something go amiss. Most people in prisons are their because of very dysfunctional and or abusive childhoods. No, I am not making excuses, but it is very apparent, something goes "pop" when enough stress or violence is put on a person. And the guy was seeking help. He knew something was not right with himself. I have a neice and nephew in high scool. I often think this could of been them.
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theadvocate
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06-05-09 4:22 PM
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STG: I do not mean this in a negative way but please seek help and counseling for your state of mind. Justified yes, but professionals can help!
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STGDONTFORGET
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06-05-09 2:00 PM
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i personally dont care if Nicholas Horner goes to jailo for life! i odnt care if he loses his kids and wife! i dont care if he stays in jial forever! He took scotty away. does anyone not care that an innocent 19 year old friend of mine got shot all because he answered the door? PTSD should have nothing to do with it he KILLED 2 people. scotty cant graduate today. he cant see his family. he cant be with his friends. horner deserves no more than what hes getting. and hopefully he wont hurt anyone again because*****be locked away and miserable. just like me. my jr prom date and best friedn is gone i'm going through*****and just because horner went to iraq doesnt mean he shouldnt get what he deserves!!!!!!!
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Eileenwothers
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06-05-09 12:25 PM
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Thank you my mission is simple really. Educate the puplic, Help Veterans and Families, Learn to live in peace and pass it on.
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lambs1
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06-05-09 11:01 AM
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Eileen, very interesting site. God Bless and Good luck with your mission.
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Eileenwothers
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06-05-09 10:47 AM
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Thank you retired army not only for your support but for your service and your families sacrafices. It is so easy to judge when you don't live in anothers persons skin. I pray for those civilians who yet to accounter the tragidies of PTSD and judge others.I'll let God sort it out in the end.
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retiredarmy20years
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06-05-09 10:10 AM
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Eileenwothers, thank you for your sacrifices and your pursuit of helping to open peoples eyes to the facts on PTSD. theadvocate. Thank you, that was said very well. America WakeUp & Support Our Veterans. Not in words but in deeds.
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Eileenwothers
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06-05-09 9:35 AM
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This all brings me back to May 2006. Where were you all then ?when My Son returned from Iraq and Killed someone due to PTSD. No-one cared and you all can keep talking you are wasting your time why don't you do something. Help these families who are suffering there will be more this I can tell you. I have a book to be published "On Green Lawns " you need to read it.... everyone. Two blogs out thier my editor Diana Montane and mine PTSD and Veterans Ei leen Wothers anyone can e-mail me Eileen Wothers@hotmail
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EmergencyServicesProvider
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06-05-09 9:01 AM
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As I've said before I've got friends with PTSD, and this does not fit the typical PTSD response. He sat at a bowling alley prior to going to the subway, he attempted to steal a car ~ tell me how that is a snap back to "combat mode"
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EmergencyServicesProvider
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06-05-09 8:59 AM
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Folks you are missing a very big point here - and his family is going to say I'm wrong but I know better. 1) he volunteered to sign up for the military. 2) The 1st tour yeah he go orders to go for that...tours 2 and 3 are voluntary!!!! You don't have to go back over, you have the option when you come home to rotate to training and other military jobs. I've got friends in the sandbox on their 4th and 5th tours they willingly go.
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theadvocate
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06-05-09 8:14 AM
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Well believer, in this specific case, what is justice? Take his life if found guilty? Punish those who were giving medical treatment to him? Punish the military for three tours? Punish the bar owner for serving him even though he may have been mentally in turmoil? What is justice for this crime? Justice is a terribly complicated word. To automatically identify justice with death if they inflicted death? I do not know what justice is here. If you are a family member or close friend of the victims, I think I know what you think. But put on the blindfold of justice, hear the testimony and come to a conclusion for the sake of justice. Not as easy as it sounds. Throwing words around saying murderer thief and other horrible labels does not render justice. What is real justice for the victims and the families left behind. Keep emotion out of it and answer that, not to me but to yourself.
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Believerofjustice
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06-04-09 11:25 PM
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What Nicholas Horner did on that day was criminal. He chose to give up his own freedom and whatever he loses along with it by his actions that day.He is a cold bloodied killer. A murderer. He is what he is. There will be justice, we have to believe in that.
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Believerofjustice
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06-04-09 11:15 PM
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He took away two peoples right to life. That day he took away every victim's freedom of choice. He gave no one a choice, he just shot and killed, injured,maimed and terrorized. Not just the three victims that he shot. The victim list goes on and on...There were others in the Subway not physically hurt but left with memories that haunt them. There were other employees present besides Scott Garlick and Michele Petty, as well as customers. He also has victimized the family members of these people. (We watch them struggle with what happened to them everyday!) Many citizens in the city of Altoona and the surrounding areas were terrified! He has definitely changed lives. I don't believe that he even begins to understand what his actions that day has done. He obviously doesn't enjoy the loss of his freedoms. Too bad, he should have considered that before the door opened at that Subway...
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