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Housing authority considers using private security

A decision to keep Altoona police on the housing patrol or to switch to an outside company may come in January

By William Kibler, bkibler@altoonamirror.com
POSTED: December 26, 2008

The Altoona Housing Authority is using a private security service this month to patrol its public housing projects in what may turn out to be a de facto tryout.

City police have patrolled Fairview Hills and the towers downtown for years, but the cost has risen, even as the authority has had to rely on capital funding to cover it.

The authority is using Securitas for December because Denny Myers, the regular city project officer, is on medical leave, and the city doesn't have enough manpower to dedicate another individual full time to the beat.

The authority will consider next month whether to keep a private firm, go back to the city or hire a part-time officer separately from the city department.

Securitas is providing a full-time individual at $12.55 an hour, for a total cost of about $2,000, authority Executive Director Cheryl Johns said.

Because of the city's manpower issues, it would need to charge the overtime rate of $39.25 an hour for officers who might be able to work only four instead of eight-hour shifts.

And the individuals assigned would vary.

"That would kind of be defeating the purpose," Johns said.

The authority needs the same person day after day, so he or she knows the residents and issues and can more easily recognize suspicious activity, and so management and the residents have a single go-to individual, Johns said.

It doesn't matter so much that the private security guards don't have full police power because the authority is mainly seeking visibility, she said.

There are few arrests on authority property, and most of those occur when an officer isn't there anyway, she said.

If there is trouble the assigned individual can't handle, police are summoned.

Securitas wasn't the cheapest firm but seemed the best of those she recently interviewed.

"We're trying it out to see how it works," she said.

In a report to the board, Johns wrote that she was impressed with the tracking and incident reports provided by the company.

Next year, the authority would need to pay the city $67,200 for coverage, which includes benefits.

Securitas is covering December at a cost that extrapolates to $26,175 a year.

The authority also will consider whether to hire instead a full-fledged police officer or officers, as recommended by board member Scott Brown.

That would not necessarily be easy, as officers don't have powers outside their jurisdictions, except in specific limited circumstances listed in Title 42 of the Pennsylvania Consolidated Statutes, solicitor William J. Haberstroh said.

The authority continues to seek grant funding. No federal money will be available soon, but state lawmakers plan to reintroduce a measure they tabled at election time that would allow authorities to hire their own police forces, Johns said.

Mirror Staff Writer William Kibler is at 949-7038.

 
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LochMoigh
12-31-08 3:45 PM
(cont) - Fairview gets a major rap as a 'project'. It may be for Altoona, but compared to the real projects that we patrolled Fairview would be a vacation assignment. We had Neta, Latin Kings, La Familia, and other 'lesser' gangs. We were involved in gang intel and drug intel and often collaborated with various PD task forces. It was a lot of fun and we did a great job. But as I stated, management needs to follow up. If they are not willing to tow the line then problems will persist. One of our best tools was in issuing what was called a 'No Trespass Order' which would mean they would be arrested if they came back on the property. It was an effective tool in suppressing crime and general problems. Honestly, I don't see that type of security company anywhere close to providing that type of service here. Securitas I think was mentioned. Do you really want the same unarmed guard that does nothing at Wal-Mart patrolling your place?

LochMoigh
12-31-08 3:35 PM
Private security is a good option providing the security company is a good company. I used to work for a company in another state that patrolled apartment complexes infested with Latin gangs. We were armed, we wore vests, had radio communication with co-workers and a private dispatch center so if we needed police they could be summoned. We all attended what was called a part-time police academy (120 hours) that certified us as reserve/intermittent police officers. That was enough training to work for a department for towns about the size of Logan Twp, Duncansville, etc. In fact our company had an such an excellent repertoire with the local PD that they would monitor our frequency in the cruisers and we the same in ours so we could cross talk. We didn't have arrest powers as private security, but we could defuse a situation, gather info, etc until PD arrived. Incident reports were done and it was managements responsibility to follow up.

Jacki3751
12-29-08 6:23 PM
Suzie B, i guess you live in a wealthier section of Altoona, and most likely have had everything handed to you and enough money to buy yourself out of trouble. Like Sammy13, I hope I am around when you or someone in your family needs help and there is no one there for you.

forensicscientist67
12-28-08 10:32 PM
J have never in my life read so many ignorant and disrespectful comments from people about their own city. Some of you need to grow up and look at the fact that todays society isn't like it was 50 years ago. You complain about people living on section 8, the housing system and everything else. Do anyone of you think that you would of told people like Al Capone or Bugsy Siegel to move to another town?? Get a grip people, let those people live their lives and you live yours. I have never been so ashamed to tell people where I am from as to say that I am from here. You people that complain about those that are less fortunate than you are do not help the situation. If your so disgusted with the way things are here, MOVE!

livinginBEDROCK
12-28-08 1:13 AM
I just think anytime you concentrate all the low-lifes in one area there's bound to be trouble....If they shut down the public housing, the people there would spread out and find their own places and not be concentrated. They could still find section 8 housing or maybe get motivated and find a place they can afford.

forensicscientist67
12-28-08 12:20 AM
The AHA must feel that the residents of their towers are important or they wouldn't have hired a private firm to pick where Officer Myers left off. Officer Myers is a good cop but unfortunately he is out on medical leave till who knows when. Until then there is someone there to take care of the problems. I would hope that our elderly and disabled citizens of those towers would be grateful instead of spiteful towards the small change. Give the man a chance to show you that he knows how to do his job. He is a former Marine and as I said before, he has to have the training or his boss wouldn't of hired him nor would the AHA. Grow up and stop whinning about a small change. I'm glad to know that my loved ones are being watched over and safeguarded by the security officer.

sammy13
12-28-08 12:03 AM
Some of the comments on here are so disrespectful. Sometimes people can't help the situations they're in and need a little help. I don't understand why people would say such things like "get a better job" or "move out of the area". That is so rude. I lived there for 2 years when I was taking care of my mother and I still have family members that live in a certain housing area there. It's to help people get back on their feet. Some of you people are just cruel and ignorant and I hope you need help one day and you see how it feels when people tell you to move out or are ignorant to you.

forensicscientist67
12-27-08 12:34 AM
I have relatives that live in one of the towers that the security officer patrols. I meant him this week and was much impressed with him. He was a very polite man who knew his job well. It's true that he can't make any arrests as pointed out, but without him there who would detain the problem person(s) until the APD did arrive if he was not there?! You all knock him because he did not go to the police academy for training like regulat officers do. But, he still has the proper training that is required for his job. If this man didn't have the training and the know how, he wouldn't be there. So in the end, isn't it better to have him than to have no one? Get a grip people, stop whinning and complaining because there is a small change. Obviously the AHA thinks that he can do the job and that people is what counts.

Flower616
12-26-08 11:29 PM
Maybe Suzie Blog should buy her own one way ticket out of town since she seems to hate seniors and disabled people. That's wishing them a Merry Christmas.

SuzyBlog
12-26-08 11:12 PM
duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuur and duuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

SuzyBlog
12-26-08 11:02 PM
This whole town is a joke and so is "fake faced" Denny Myers and the rest of the officers who laugh behind your backs after the calls and are sick of hearing it on calls. get jobs, a real life and you'd have money to live in the "better" neighborhoods when you retire. Retards!!

livinginBEDROCK
12-26-08 9:25 PM
I think the answer is to zero out the Altoona housing authority, demolish the buildings and put a park there. Why should the city governement be in the business of housing? How much do local, state and federal taxpayers shell out for this housing? The people there will find somewhere else to live or move away. I'll contribute a one way bus ticket.

beano52
12-26-08 7:33 PM
Private security, that's a joke!!!!If you need help how do you get in touch with him. He can't arrest anyone.He has no power to help in any way. I live in one of the towers and have seen Officer Meyers handle many different problems including drunks in the halls to violent out of control residents. Just to name few things. It makes me feel safer knowing that we have city police protection. Not a rent a cop. You get what you pay for !!!! Aren't the senior citizens and the disabled people of this city worth it. I think the city needs to hire more good men and women to become city police. mr210

gottabeme
12-26-08 6:44 PM
...forgot to mention, I came across a video on Youtube on Gangstaliking ******** in Blair county.

gottabeme
12-26-08 6:37 PM
pasatiempo, I have to disagree with the idea of these people policing themselves. It would be too much like Gangstalking/mobbing which is a problem in itself in Altoona. Just check the internet on Gangstalking. There is alot of info on the abuse of "policing" others. Alot of innocent people are being targeted when they have done NOTHING wrong.

Flower616
12-26-08 5:56 PM
I wonder if the people realize that just recently that a family had a domestic call for a fight at Failview Hills during the early evening hours while the Security Officer was on duty and I very much doubt if he was even aware that this occured because two police units of APD handled the call and He was no where to to heard from since the residents don't know how to contact him. Taking Not One but 2 Officers from protecting the rest of the city. And on another occassion Ptlm. Meyers and 3 other officrs had a physical confrontation with a resident of the towers while attempting to strike another resident. Ptlm. Meyers and his backup not only subdued the person. Arrested him and this caused his eviction from the AHA property to keep other residents safe. Could a rent a guard had the help or know how to accomplish this!! I think not. Who would have been there to help him The overworked and under payed Police.They put their lives in danger on the Streets on Altoona every day.

Jacki3751
12-26-08 5:12 PM
How many people know that the AHA officer covers the Green Avenue Towers, 11th Street Towers, Fairview Hills, and on occasion, Pleasant Village? At this rate, 3 officers without connection to 911 central dispatch would be needed, since they would have no way of knowing what was going on where, thereby costing the AHA a mere $37.65/hour to provide those residents with semi-security. And, then since they can't arrest anyone, the understaffed APD would have to pull their already overburdened officers from other calls to take care of AHA properties. A prudent move? I think not

jimdandy
12-26-08 3:18 PM
people in Altoona are very simple minded if they think that a job making 20.00 dollars an hour, is considered overpaid! That is what the average middle-class American worker should be making! You people are the working poor that make rich people even richer!

Jacki3751
12-26-08 2:59 PM
I know many residents of the Towers personally, and also know that Officer Meyers has enabled them to live without fear while providing them with security and safety for 10 years. I also agree with Flower616 in that security guards do not possess police powers, and they have no way of being able or knowing where to respond if a situation arises, since they are not involved with central dispatch (hence the $12.55/hr. salary). Eventually everyone will discover just how much Officer Meyers DOES for the AHA. And as far as the drug testing, who's going to do it? Enter the residences, collect the samples, take it to the lab, etc. Or would the residents be expected to line up outside the main office voluntarily for their screenings? Are you serious? It would cost less? I don't think so. Just remember, AHA, you get what you pay for!!!!!!!

gottabeme
12-26-08 2:26 PM
Fairview hills??? Are you kidding???

CentPABravest
12-26-08 2:20 PM
I just knew that some wise guy would comment about it being the overtime rate. I know that is the overtime rate and my comment stands that it seems high to me. Based on your $20/hr, I come up with $38,400 a year and that is based off of 8 hrs a day for 5 days a week. Does not include overtime, weekend, holidays, etc. So, it seems to be a comfortable amount to me. IMHO

Flower616
12-26-08 2:08 PM
Officer Meyers has worked the areas for over 10 years and is well known and liked by all residents, He has performed an excellent service and has made several arrests both at Fairview Hills and the Towers. He is also central dispatched by the 911 center as it stands now We have a guard that comes in looks around, talks a little and has no powers to handle a problem, He must call Police and the residents have no way of contacting him of a problem that has been told to the residents. ] I live at one of the Places Patroled by Patrolman Meyers and he always responded and dd his best to bring closure to the problem Doing anything but Police would be a step backwards and put the residents in danger AHA Resident

pasatiempo
12-26-08 1:53 PM
I LOVE that idea desertratt! Let's take it one step further - you get out of line - EVEN AN INCH- no second chance, YOU'RE DONE! These people should be policing themselves in as much as trying to keep the less desirable element out of their neighborhoods! Make all of those who don't work (with the exception of the TRULLY disabled -- fat and lazy don't qualify!) and put htem on patrol! But I guess that when you have so much HANDED to you without having to work for it you don't take as much pride in what you have and where you live. Some people just don't get the idea of "you don't*****where you eat!"

desertratt
12-26-08 11:18 AM
If they required random drug screenings twice a month for Fairview Hills residents- positive for illegal drugs, get your welfare benefits yanked. I think the laboratory fees for drug tests would be much less than the cost for a security guard.

voiceofreason
12-26-08 10:32 AM
Read the Article CentPABravest, that is their overtime rate with benefits included, which would put their hourly at about $20 or so. I don't believe that is a rediculous salary for what they do or might have to do. Probably difficult to raise a family of four at a comfortable middle class comfort level, gotta send the wife to work on that, don't you think?

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