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Gamesa wants more room for wind farm

By Kay Stephens, kstephens@altoonamirror.com
POSTED: May 9, 2008
The company planning to construct wind turbines in Logan Township needs supervisors to enlarge the wind zone and to back away from stricter rules, a representative said Thursday.

“It will not financially work with less than 25 turbines,” Tim Vought of Gamesa Energy USA told supervisors.

He showed them a map with 17 turbines in the township’s wind zone south of Route 36 and an additional eight turbines north of Route 36 outside of the wind zone.

The project also won’t work, Vought said, if supervisors adopt rules to require turbines be at least 2,500 feet from property lines, reduce the maximum noise level and require additional studies.

Supervisors were scheduled to vote on those rules, but they tabled action after a 70-minute public hearing, during which much of the time was devoted to quizzing Vought.

They also asked Vought to come back with information on how Gamesa will address post-construction noise complaints.

“We hope we can come up with a plan that minimizes that problem,” Vought said.

Supervisors said they want remedies addressing turbine noise.

“You guys aren’t going to pick up [the wind turbines] and move them,” Supervisor Ed Frontino said.

Supervisors Chairman Frank Meloy said he visited Todd and Jill Stull in Juniata Township, who deal with noisy turbines in the Allegheny Ridge Wind Farm that stretches over Blair and Cambria counties.

He and other township officials toured that farm last week with Gamesa representatives.

“I would not want to live with that noise day in and day out,” Meloy said.

Mirror Staff Writer Kay Stephens is at 946-7456.
 
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Anthony
05-09-08 9:32 PM
Cowher12, some things you need to know.

Just because you never heard of an oil power plant, doesn't mean they dont exist. Same thing with a Pseudopeptidoglycan, it exists...everywhere in fact. (or it doesn't exist to you.)

In any case, the problem is fossil fuel power plants: oil, coal, natural gas, etc.

Nuclear fuel prices have doubled in price in recent years. Most of it is associated with the ability to safely mine and process the fuel. Most people tend to ignore the true ugly side of nuclear power, the cost to get the fuel. Processing and enriching the fuel is an extremely dirty and polluting process.

Many of you here are complaining that Gamesa just came to put these ugly things up and reap the benefits for the next 10 years. What about the hundreds of jobs up in Ebensburg? Did you forget where they are made already?

Furthermore, Cowher12, we are (big cities and small towns alike) all on the same power grid! Know the facts.

TheOneAndOnlySurge
05-09-08 4:18 PM
cowher12, Gamesa is not asking for laxed restrictions but that they stop enforcing new ones. I would also have to disagree, I think they will be self sufficient within 10 years.

Schroeder
05-09-08 2:10 PM
This obviously is a very heated and passionate issue. Being a "home-town-boy" but residing "abroad", I think perhaps I can import some facts about wind farms if I may.

I am assuming you are considering HAWT'S (Horizontal-axis wind turbines) and if I were surveying this project for you, I would be thinking 'DANISH" since they manufacture the very best wind turbines and are highly efficient.

Some drawbacks, and they are:

HAWTs have difficulty operating in near ground, turbulent winds. The tall towers and long blades up to 90 meters long are difficult to transport on the sea and on land. Transportation can now cost 20% of equipment costs. Tall HAWTs are difficult to install, needing very tall and expensive cranes and skilled operators. The FAA has raised concerns about tall HAWTs effects on radar near Air Force bases. Their height can create local opposition based on impacts to viewsheds. Downwind variants suffer from fatigue and structural failure caused

cowher12
05-09-08 10:33 AM
I have never even heard of a oil power plant anthony i dont think anyone is burning oil for power...If you truly think wind is the solution I have some beach front property in sasqatchwan to sell..Its a real good deal. The cleanest, most economical and most efficient form of power available is nuclear. It is 1/2 the price per kilowatt of coal. Wind cannot produce the power needs for the region, state or country. Unfortunately Rendell didnt care when he established teh tax credits and subsidies becuase he knew his buddies would create the businesses to make profits off the wind farms. The Wind is not a solution this country needs more Nuclear power plants pumping out cheap clean energy.

cowher12
05-09-08 10:29 AM
Surge...The problem with these Wind Farms is they will all be done in 10 years when their tax credits expire...Then they cant make enough to stay on their own and they will be an eyesore. The shame of it is that the good people of Central PA get stuck looking and listening to these things while all the energy is sold off to the big cities so those peoples energy bills can be lower. I just think its funny that Gamesa wants more lax restriction well guess what Gamesa the restrictions are what they are...Either comply or go somewhere else as i see if they go somewhere else it will not effect logan township residents in anyway so let them go. They are just fast eddy's crooked friends anyways.

Anthony
05-09-08 10:27 AM
The Altoona area needs to grow out of their conservative blankets.

'Barely acknowledgeable benefit and success'- Ha!

Put a couple oil power plants up. Watch the demand for oil in this country take a sharp jump. Prices follow this route.

Put a coal power plant, like the one near Indiana. It's just one of the dirtiest, causing some towns in THIS AREA to have high air pollution, the highest in the country! Don't forget the acid rain as well...caused by this coal power plant.

-Or-

We could build a few dozen wind turbines, have a little noise and not add to the mounting problems of poor environmental management caused by predecessors.

TheOneAndOnlySurge
05-09-08 9:33 AM
OooohNoooo, are you serious. More people are moving in than moving out. You mainly see Altoona residents moving to the outlieing townships.

Aces20, your right they do recieve goverment money but that is the only to make a diffrence. We need alternative forms of energy, once there are enough of these farms they will run at a much lower cost and provide the same service at that lower cost to the consumer. All they need is time and space.

As for the noise, have you ever lived next to a power plant at all. They are noisy too, the problem is you only need a small area to provide alot of power where the wind turbines need more land to put up more turbines. The bigger isssue is this is going into the rural areas, where people move to for piece and quiet.

OooohNoooo
05-09-08 9:10 AM
They aregoing to start chasing taxpayers into other areas of the community. Logan Township residents are already moving to other areas and this is not going to help matters... You can count me as one of those to relocate should one come to my area of LT...

Aces20
05-09-08 8:54 AM
Gamesa, Babcock and Brown, USWind, and others are all a scam. NONE of the them can survive as a business without millions of dollars in state and federal subsidies (taxpayer money).

In short, the wind companies are making a living off the back of taxpayers while providing a "product" that provides a barely acknowledgable benefit and success, but a lot more problems.

JUST SAY NO TO GAMESA!!

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